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We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations

NUWA research note · independent review pending

First published: Source checked: 2026-10-25
NUWA Research NoteResearch questionDesign and assumptionsSource findingsNUWA interpretationLimits and contrary evidenceResearch connectionsResearch and decision relevanceInstitutions and rolesOriginal resources

Model-assisted reading · Selected sections of the original full text or official article; a complete section-by-section audit remains pending.

At a glance

The proposal shifts some safety assessment from final checkpoints to training dynamics and developer responses.

Research question

What evidence might reveal coherent scheming during training that a final-checkpoint evaluation could miss?

Design and assumptions

The essay analyzes covert behavior and obfuscated cognition, then distinguishes intermediate-checkpoint access from deeper access to data, rewards, environments and interventions.

Source findings

Evaluator-run checkpoint access enables adaptive investigation beyond a fixed client-run battery.

The authors separate diffuse and concentrated IP concerns and propose gradually increasing access; they do not report a completed general TRE standard.

NUWA interpretation

NUWA interpretation: a negative final test cannot validate a claim about the whole training process without evidence about that process.

Limits and contrary evidence

This is an institutional argument under explicit uncertainty about when scheming becomes undetectable; it is not empirical proof that TREs detect all scheming.

Research connections

NUWA connection: embedded-evaluators extends the access argument to continuing deployment and governance; anti-scheming-training supplies a concrete evaluation-awareness concern.

Research and decision relevance

NUWA recommendation: bind each training-safety claim to required access, checkpoint timing and denied information before requesting external assurance.

Precise source locations
  • We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations · Detecting Scheming may require Training-Run EvaluationsSelected original resource https://www.apolloresearch.ai/science/we-need-3rd-party-training-run-assessments; sha256:c4d034daec43cf8030397f4b36514eb1a4d44ac2b1037ee97a15a8ddbad116a0; archived source capture; exact capture time not independently established
  • We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations · Why 3rd parties should perform Training-Run EvaluationsSelected original resource https://www.apolloresearch.ai/science/we-need-3rd-party-training-run-assessments; sha256:c4d034daec43cf8030397f4b36514eb1a4d44ac2b1037ee97a15a8ddbad116a0; archived source capture; exact capture time not independently established
  • We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations · Checkpoint evalsSelected original resource https://www.apolloresearch.ai/science/we-need-3rd-party-training-run-assessments; sha256:c4d034daec43cf8030397f4b36514eb1a4d44ac2b1037ee97a15a8ddbad116a0; archived source capture; exact capture time not independently established
  • We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations · Data EvaluationsSelected original resource https://www.apolloresearch.ai/science/we-need-3rd-party-training-run-assessments; sha256:c4d034daec43cf8030397f4b36514eb1a4d44ac2b1037ee97a15a8ddbad116a0; archived source capture; exact capture time not independently established
  • We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations · ConclusionSelected original resource https://www.apolloresearch.ai/science/we-need-3rd-party-training-run-assessments; sha256:c4d034daec43cf8030397f4b36514eb1a4d44ac2b1037ee97a15a8ddbad116a0; archived source capture; exact capture time not independently established

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Institutions and roles

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Cite the original publication for its findings. Cite this NUWA record separately for its explanation and retained snapshot.

Original publication · BibTeX
@misc{training-run-evaluations,
  title = {We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations},
  url = {https://www.apolloresearch.ai/science/we-need-3rd-party-training-run-assessments},
  year = {2026},
  date = {2026-07-05},
  version = {Source capture 2026-10-25},
  note = {Source capture 2026-10-25}
}
NUWA record · BibTeX
@misc{training-run-evaluations-nuwa,
  title = {We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations — NUWA research record},
  url = {https://whitzard.tech/en/nuwa/whitzard-index/work/training-run-evaluations/},
  version = {2026-10-29.1},
  organization = {NUWA Frontier AI Safety Lab},
  howpublished = {Retained note edition: https://whitzard.tech/nuwa/whitzard-index/data/record-editions/2026-10-29.1--training-run-evaluations.json},
  note = {NUWA research note. Source-reading scope and independent review status are stated on the record. Snapshot 2026-10-29.1. Retained note edition: https://whitzard.tech/nuwa/whitzard-index/data/record-editions/2026-10-29.1--training-run-evaluations.json.}
}

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References

  1. [1] We need 3rd party Training-Run Evaluations. 2026-07-05 ; Official publication masthead and article byline; Detecting Scheming may require Training-Run Evaluations; Why 3rd parties should perform Training-Run Evaluations